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+ | == 8th February == | ||
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+ | [15:01] <ericb2> Let's start the meeting ? | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:01] <vincentvikram> ok | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:01] <ericb2> progeny: ok ? | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:02] <progeny> ok | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:02] <ericb2> Agenda for 8th of February 2008 meeting | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:02] <ericb2> 1. Welcome people and devs joining Education project | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:02] <ericb2> 2. Education Project Effort : proposed applications (work with Schools) | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:02] <ericb2> 3. Events: FOSDEM 2008 | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:02] <ericb2> 4. Misc | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:03] <ericb2> The first point is always a welcome for newcomer. Newcomers are invited to present themselves, and what the do | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:03] * rggurley (n=rggurley@occhost243233.sunyocc.edu) has joined #education.openoffice.org | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:03] <progeny> this goes to me? xD | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:03] <ericb2> progeny: please :-) | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:04] <ericb2> vincentvikram: you are invited too ;) | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:04] <progeny> well not much to say | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:04] <progeny> i'm currently in madrid doing a master course | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:04] <progeny> on soft. eng. | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:04] <progeny> but i'm from barcelona | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:04] <ericb2> progeny: nice city 8-) | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:04] <progeny> i landed to the educational foss group fromt the gsoc'07 students list | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:04] <progeny> and from there to here :) | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:04] <progeny> sure it is :) | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:05] <progeny> i've not much time | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:05] <progeny> with the master course and tring to setup my own busines | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:05] <progeny> but i'm interested to see what you are cooking :) | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:05] <vincentvikram> progeny: I followed the Olympics very closely when it was held at Barcelona. | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:05] <progeny> :) | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:06] <progeny> where are you from? | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:06] <ericb2> progeny: thanks for your presentation, and be welcome in Education Project | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:06] <vincentvikram> ericb2: shall I introduce myself? | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:06] <ericb2> vincentvikram: please do ! | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:06] <vincentvikram> Ok | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:07] <vincentvikram> I'm from Bangalore, India | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:07] <vincentvikram> currently working with Christ college, Bangalore on various free s/w projects | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:08] <vincentvikram> tinkering a bit on a task in GNU/Hurd. | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:08] <vincentvikram> Coordinate Kannada(kn) localisation of Debian | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:08] <vincentvikram> Passionate about free s/w | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:09] <vincentvikram> well.. that would be it I suppose. | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:09] <progeny> hurd! | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:09] <ericb2> vincentvikram: if I'm not wrong you know sankarshan ? | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:09] <progeny> a friend of mine started a hurd debian distro | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:09] <vincentvikram> yes, I do. | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:09] <vincentvikram> progeny: who? | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:10] <progeny> pancake | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:10] <progeny> let me pass you the link | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:10] <ericb2> vincentvikram: well, I'm always glad to welcome newcomers, mainly when they come from all aournd the world. Be welcome in | ||
+ | Education Project ! | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:10] <progeny> he felt so lonely doing hurt | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:10] <vincentvikram> ericb2: thanks. | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:10] <progeny> so, point 2? | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:10] <ericb2> 2. Education Project Effort : proposed applications (work with Schools) | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:11] <ericb2> let's go | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:11] <ericb2> The idea is to create a bridge between schools and OpenOffice.org Project | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:11] <ericb2> the most interesting for students and teachers is the real thing: write code | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:11] <ericb2> but the barreer is too high, generaly | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:12] <progeny> huge code base i supose | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:12] <ericb2> and what I propose is to solve simple ( not exactly ) issues, mentoring the peers students /teachers | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:12] <ericb2> The starting point is there : http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project/Effort | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:12] <vincentvikram> ericb2: yes | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:12] <ericb2> progeny: yes, Ocean of code, and without a navigator, it is dangerous ;) | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:13] * ericb2 proposed issues, e.g. implement a correct baseline in Math ( formulas ) | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:14] <progeny> for doing that | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:14] <ericb2> the idea is student / teachers have me ( or any other volunteer ) as contact, and I am here to explain all the basics | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:14] <progeny> you need some veteran OO code contributors to act as mentors, right? | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:14] <ericb2> when we need a specialist, I can organize rendez-vous and so on, with high level devs | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:14] <ericb2> progeny: I'm developer myself, but I know personaly most of the devs in the project | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:15] <progeny> sure | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:15] <ericb2> progeny: this make the life easier ;) | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:15] <progeny> but how many students can you handle at once? | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:15] <ericb2> progeny: I think two or three, max, but not more | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:15] <progeny> thats the point | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:15] <ericb2> progeny: the first one intrested will be served | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:15] <ericb2> progeny: let's start with a proof of concept | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:15] <progeny> but | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:16] <progeny> what i see, is that some (french) schools have been contacted | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:16] <progeny> i dont know the relation of that contact | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:16] <ericb2> progeny: I'll put all the information once confirmed | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:16] <progeny> but i'm ver wrong if the idea is that they offer FOSS contribution to his students? | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:16] <progeny> right? | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:17] <ericb2> progeny: I'm not sure to get what yo mean. Sorry, my bad english probably. Can you explain more ? | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:17] <vincentvikram> ericb2: The issue with development in India is that we are still dependent on face-to-face interaction, if at least in the | ||
+ | beginning. Can something like that be arranged? | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:18] <progeny> something like teachers saying to students: "hey, some OO guys have come to tell us that if you want to contribute they offer | ||
+ | you a mentor" | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:18] <vincentvikram> progeny: not exactly | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:18] <progeny> oh | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:18] <progeny> ok | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:19] <vincentvikram> The students have an idea and some tangible interaction with experienced developers would make a good impact. | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:19] <ericb2> as I said, I proposed to mentor students. The students must have a teacher, for "administrative" reason. The fact is, no newcomer , | ||
+ | as good he could be, can write code directly for OpenOffice.org project. | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:20] <vincentvikram> We have worked out such experiments in quite a few engg. colleges here and with reasonably good results too. | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:20] <ericb2> here is my role: help to discover everything ( I'm working in the code since 4 years ) | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:20] <progeny> ok | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:20] <progeny> for me to understand it | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:20] <ericb2> *but* when we need expertise , high level devs are ok to help | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:21] <progeny> which is the starting point: student goes to OO triing the contribute | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:21] <ericb2> they just ask to schedule everything, because they have limited time for us | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:21] <progeny> or OO goes to schools tring to get some students involved? | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:21] <ericb2> progeny: the last proposal is more accurate: we are searching contributors | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:22] <progeny> ok | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:22] <ericb2> progeny: in return, we'll teach them what we do | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:22] <progeny> so i dont see the diferent with what i was saying? :) | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:22] <progeny> s/?// | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:22] <ericb2> progeny: all ar winner: the school the students, the teachers for visibility. and the project, for the code | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:23] <progeny> sure! | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:23] <progeny> i agree on that | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:23] <ericb2> progeny: some times, we say the same thing, but because of the language barreer, better repeat ;) | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:23] <vincentvikram> ericb2: Is there a possibility that successful students may be absorbed by the project? | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:23] <progeny> ok xD my english is not very good | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:24] <progeny> vincentvikram: i think this is a secondary goal. | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:24] <progeny> permanent involment | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:24] <ericb2> vincentvikram: this is possible, but the project does not provide money. Only companies working on the porject ( Sun, Novell, IBM, | ||
+ | RedHat .. ) will be able to hire them if this is what you mean | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:24] <progeny> huh paid job | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:24] <ericb2> vincentvikram: I myself have no power for that | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:24] <vincentvikram> ok | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:25] <ericb2> vincentvikram: nevertheless, good work for OpenOffice.org is an extremely good business card for a job ;-) | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:25] <vincentvikram> ericb2: yes, I agree. | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:25] <progeny> i think this is one of the more stronger driver to opensource | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:26] <ericb2> progeny: then, feel free to propagate the idea ;-) | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:26] <progeny> yeah | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:26] <progeny> i dont know if i'm moving out of schedule here | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:26] <progeny> but the foss google group has de same target | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:26] <progeny> but without focusing in openoffce | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:27] <progeny> more like "peak your project and we'll get a mentor" | ||
+ | |||
+ | [15:27] <ericb2> progeny: exactly. But from my side, I can't explain another software ;) |
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[15:01] <ericb2> Let's start the meeting ?
[15:01] <vincentvikram> ok
[15:01] <ericb2> progeny: ok ?
[15:02] <progeny> ok
[15:02] <ericb2> Agenda for 8th of February 2008 meeting
[15:02] <ericb2> 1. Welcome people and devs joining Education project
[15:02] <ericb2> 2. Education Project Effort : proposed applications (work with Schools)
[15:02] <ericb2> 3. Events: FOSDEM 2008
[15:02] <ericb2> 4. Misc
[15:03] <ericb2> The first point is always a welcome for newcomer. Newcomers are invited to present themselves, and what the do
[15:03] * rggurley (n=rggurley@occhost243233.sunyocc.edu) has joined #education.openoffice.org
[15:03] <progeny> this goes to me? xD
[15:03] <ericb2> progeny: please :-)
[15:04] <ericb2> vincentvikram: you are invited too ;)
[15:04] <progeny> well not much to say
[15:04] <progeny> i'm currently in madrid doing a master course
[15:04] <progeny> on soft. eng.
[15:04] <progeny> but i'm from barcelona
[15:04] <ericb2> progeny: nice city 8-)
[15:04] <progeny> i landed to the educational foss group fromt the gsoc'07 students list
[15:04] <progeny> and from there to here :)
[15:04] <progeny> sure it is :)
[15:05] <progeny> i've not much time
[15:05] <progeny> with the master course and tring to setup my own busines
[15:05] <progeny> but i'm interested to see what you are cooking :)
[15:05] <vincentvikram> progeny: I followed the Olympics very closely when it was held at Barcelona.
[15:05] <progeny> :)
[15:06] <progeny> where are you from?
[15:06] <ericb2> progeny: thanks for your presentation, and be welcome in Education Project
[15:06] <vincentvikram> ericb2: shall I introduce myself?
[15:06] <ericb2> vincentvikram: please do !
[15:06] <vincentvikram> Ok
[15:07] <vincentvikram> I'm from Bangalore, India
[15:07] <vincentvikram> currently working with Christ college, Bangalore on various free s/w projects
[15:08] <vincentvikram> tinkering a bit on a task in GNU/Hurd.
[15:08] <vincentvikram> Coordinate Kannada(kn) localisation of Debian
[15:08] <vincentvikram> Passionate about free s/w
[15:09] <vincentvikram> well.. that would be it I suppose.
[15:09] <progeny> hurd!
[15:09] <ericb2> vincentvikram: if I'm not wrong you know sankarshan ?
[15:09] <progeny> a friend of mine started a hurd debian distro
[15:09] <vincentvikram> yes, I do.
[15:09] <vincentvikram> progeny: who?
[15:10] <progeny> pancake
[15:10] <progeny> let me pass you the link
[15:10] <ericb2> vincentvikram: well, I'm always glad to welcome newcomers, mainly when they come from all aournd the world. Be welcome in Education Project !
[15:10] <progeny> he felt so lonely doing hurt
[15:10] <vincentvikram> ericb2: thanks.
[15:10] <progeny> so, point 2?
[15:10] <ericb2> 2. Education Project Effort : proposed applications (work with Schools)
[15:11] <ericb2> let's go
[15:11] <ericb2> The idea is to create a bridge between schools and OpenOffice.org Project
[15:11] <ericb2> the most interesting for students and teachers is the real thing: write code
[15:11] <ericb2> but the barreer is too high, generaly
[15:12] <progeny> huge code base i supose
[15:12] <ericb2> and what I propose is to solve simple ( not exactly ) issues, mentoring the peers students /teachers
[15:12] <ericb2> The starting point is there : http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project/Effort
[15:12] <vincentvikram> ericb2: yes
[15:12] <ericb2> progeny: yes, Ocean of code, and without a navigator, it is dangerous ;)
[15:13] * ericb2 proposed issues, e.g. implement a correct baseline in Math ( formulas )
[15:14] <progeny> for doing that
[15:14] <ericb2> the idea is student / teachers have me ( or any other volunteer ) as contact, and I am here to explain all the basics
[15:14] <progeny> you need some veteran OO code contributors to act as mentors, right?
[15:14] <ericb2> when we need a specialist, I can organize rendez-vous and so on, with high level devs
[15:14] <ericb2> progeny: I'm developer myself, but I know personaly most of the devs in the project
[15:15] <progeny> sure
[15:15] <ericb2> progeny: this make the life easier ;)
[15:15] <progeny> but how many students can you handle at once?
[15:15] <ericb2> progeny: I think two or three, max, but not more
[15:15] <progeny> thats the point
[15:15] <ericb2> progeny: the first one intrested will be served
[15:15] <ericb2> progeny: let's start with a proof of concept
[15:15] <progeny> but
[15:16] <progeny> what i see, is that some (french) schools have been contacted
[15:16] <progeny> i dont know the relation of that contact
[15:16] <ericb2> progeny: I'll put all the information once confirmed
[15:16] <progeny> but i'm ver wrong if the idea is that they offer FOSS contribution to his students?
[15:16] <progeny> right?
[15:17] <ericb2> progeny: I'm not sure to get what yo mean. Sorry, my bad english probably. Can you explain more ?
[15:17] <vincentvikram> ericb2: The issue with development in India is that we are still dependent on face-to-face interaction, if at least in the beginning. Can something like that be arranged?
[15:18] <progeny> something like teachers saying to students: "hey, some OO guys have come to tell us that if you want to contribute they offer you a mentor"
[15:18] <vincentvikram> progeny: not exactly
[15:18] <progeny> oh
[15:18] <progeny> ok
[15:19] <vincentvikram> The students have an idea and some tangible interaction with experienced developers would make a good impact.
[15:19] <ericb2> as I said, I proposed to mentor students. The students must have a teacher, for "administrative" reason. The fact is, no newcomer , as good he could be, can write code directly for OpenOffice.org project.
[15:20] <vincentvikram> We have worked out such experiments in quite a few engg. colleges here and with reasonably good results too.
[15:20] <ericb2> here is my role: help to discover everything ( I'm working in the code since 4 years )
[15:20] <progeny> ok
[15:20] <progeny> for me to understand it
[15:20] <ericb2> *but* when we need expertise , high level devs are ok to help
[15:21] <progeny> which is the starting point: student goes to OO triing the contribute
[15:21] <ericb2> they just ask to schedule everything, because they have limited time for us
[15:21] <progeny> or OO goes to schools tring to get some students involved?
[15:21] <ericb2> progeny: the last proposal is more accurate: we are searching contributors
[15:22] <progeny> ok
[15:22] <ericb2> progeny: in return, we'll teach them what we do
[15:22] <progeny> so i dont see the diferent with what i was saying? :)
[15:22] <progeny> s/?//
[15:22] <ericb2> progeny: all ar winner: the school the students, the teachers for visibility. and the project, for the code
[15:23] <progeny> sure!
[15:23] <progeny> i agree on that
[15:23] <ericb2> progeny: some times, we say the same thing, but because of the language barreer, better repeat ;)
[15:23] <vincentvikram> ericb2: Is there a possibility that successful students may be absorbed by the project?
[15:23] <progeny> ok xD my english is not very good
[15:24] <progeny> vincentvikram: i think this is a secondary goal.
[15:24] <progeny> permanent involment
[15:24] <ericb2> vincentvikram: this is possible, but the project does not provide money. Only companies working on the porject ( Sun, Novell, IBM, RedHat .. ) will be able to hire them if this is what you mean
[15:24] <progeny> huh paid job
[15:24] <ericb2> vincentvikram: I myself have no power for that
[15:24] <vincentvikram> ok
[15:25] <ericb2> vincentvikram: nevertheless, good work for OpenOffice.org is an extremely good business card for a job ;-)
[15:25] <vincentvikram> ericb2: yes, I agree.
[15:25] <progeny> i think this is one of the more stronger driver to opensource
[15:26] <ericb2> progeny: then, feel free to propagate the idea ;-)
[15:26] <progeny> yeah
[15:26] <progeny> i dont know if i'm moving out of schedule here
[15:26] <progeny> but the foss google group has de same target
[15:26] <progeny> but without focusing in openoffce
[15:27] <progeny> more like "peak your project and we'll get a mentor"
[15:27] <ericb2> progeny: exactly. But from my side, I can't explain another software ;)