ReleaseStatus Minutes 2007-12-17 IRC log

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[17.12.2007 14:48] -->| YOU (_Nesshof_) have joined #oooreleases [17.12.2007 14:50] -->| bettina-h (n=Bettina_@nat/sun/x-5970bfd07529a2f0) has joined #oooreleases [17.12.2007 15:00] <_Nesshof_> moin [17.12.2007 15:02] <_Nesshof_> Review of issues for OOoRelease231: is this still a valid item on our agenda ? [17.12.2007 15:02] <_Nesshof_> msc_sun: is uweL also on vacation ? [17.12.2007 15:03] -->| blauwal (n=jr93709@sd-socks-197.staroffice.de) has joined #oooreleases [17.12.2007 15:04] * _Nesshof_ will remove 2.3.1 release status then from the agenda [17.12.2007 15:04] <msc_sun> _Nesshof_: No, he is here. [17.12.2007 15:05] <_Nesshof_> Review of issues for OOoRelease24 [17.12.2007 15:06] <_Nesshof_> still more than 400 open issues for 2.4 target [17.12.2007 15:06] <_Nesshof_> code freeze will be on Jan 17th [17.12.2007 15:06] -->| UweL (n=chatzill@sd-socks-197.staroffice.de) has joined #oooreleases [17.12.2007 15:06] <_Nesshof_> blauwal: do we get the translation update last week ? [17.12.2007 15:07] <blauwal> _Nesshof_: one moment please [17.12.2007 15:08] <blauwal> _Nesshof_: localization25? Currently integrating [17.12.2007 15:08] <_Nesshof_> so m241 will be ready for TCM testing soon ?! [17.12.2007 15:09] * _Nesshof_ proposes to branch off OOH680 after finishing that milestone [17.12.2007 15:09] <_Nesshof_> 1. we need to switch to new Compiler on Windows asap for testing [17.12.2007 15:10] <MechtiIde> so we branch before 2nd translation is ready? [17.12.2007 15:10] <_Nesshof_> 2. xmlfilter02 will be then ready for integration [17.12.2007 15:10] <blauwal> m241 will contain only localisation25, so: +1 [17.12.2007 15:10] <_Nesshof_> 3. native110 is waiting [17.12.2007 15:12] <_Nesshof_> MechtiIde: 2nd translation ? [17.12.2007 15:12] <Fridrich> let's branch after xmlfilter02 integration :-) [17.12.2007 15:12] <_rene_> _Nesshof_: AFAIR, this was only the first round, a second round will come still [17.12.2007 15:13] <MechtiIde> 2nd Handout of translation for 2.4 [17.12.2007 15:13] <MechtiIde> it's end on 20th of Dezember07 [17.12.2007 15:13] <_Nesshof_> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoRelease24 seems to be wrong [17.12.2007 15:14] <_rene_> so on Thursday [17.12.2007 15:14] <_Nesshof_> only the translation start date was updated and not the delivery date [17.12.2007 15:14] <_Nesshof_> so TCM testing will start next year [17.12.2007 15:15] <MechtiIde> When we get the build we can start testing [17.12.2007 15:16] <_Nesshof_> MechtiIde: ask blauwal when that build can be available [17.12.2007 15:16] <blauwal> _Nesshof_: The build with localisation25? I guess Wednesday [17.12.2007 15:17] [INFO] 19 matches for ``: [#dev.openoffice.org, #oootalk, #ooo_macport, #oooesc, #openoffice.org-de, #ooocouncil, #oooreleases, _Nesshof_, IZBot, Fridrich, MechtiIde, paveljanik, _rene_, msc_sun, IcoBgr, ChanServ, bettina-h, blauwal, UweL] [17.12.2007 15:17] <_Nesshof_> blauwal: no with the next cws of localization integration [17.12.2007 15:18] <blauwal> I do not know the time table. Ivo should know it, he'll be back in 5 min [17.12.2007 15:18] <_Nesshof_> blauwal: see above, translation delivery is 20th [17.12.2007 15:19] <blauwal> _Nesshof_: well, I'm available for a build between Xmas and New Year, but will there be someone to QA the CWS? [17.12.2007 15:21] <blauwal> _Nesshof_: If not, I guess early next year. [17.12.2007 15:21] <_rene_> is that needed at all? we didn't do *any* QA on the last merged languages anyway. (simply opening format->character or checking the menus and its entries) ;-( [17.12.2007 15:22] <_Nesshof_> blauwal: when will that cws ready for QA ? [17.12.2007 15:22] * _Nesshof_ agress with _rene_ that approval is quite formal then [17.12.2007 15:23] <blauwal> _Nesshof_: As I said, Ivo is currently not here and I can only guess. I don't know if he is able to finish the CWS on 21th [17.12.2007 15:23] <_rene_> _Nesshof_: for the record, and if you didn't see the sarcasm. I *do* think we should do real QA on such cwses [17.12.2007 15:23] <_rene_> _Nesshof_: real QA means at least checking the build [17.12.2007 15:23] <_rene_> if it runs, whether the menus and important dialogues show at least "a bit" correct [17.12.2007 15:24] <_rene_> s/if/whether/ [17.12.2007 15:24] <_Nesshof_> _rene_: I don't know the exact testplan, but I guess most of this is done by automated resouce test [17.12.2007 15:24] <_rene_> which doesn't find grossly broken stuff [17.12.2007 15:25] <_rene_> the ersources might work, but they still might diplay completely broken [17.12.2007 15:25] <blauwal> _Nesshof_: OK I've enquired the time plan [17.12.2007 15:25] <_rene_> happen in the last cwses with mr-IN and ar [17.12.2007 15:26] <_rene_> a simple start and look at *one* menu would've been enough to catch the mr-IN one, a quick start and format->character would have catched format->character, options, etc. for ar [17.12.2007 15:26] <blauwal> _Nesshof_: Translation will be here 20th COB, database operation will be done 21th. Vladimir guesses he can finish the CWS between Xmas and New Year, but no guarantee [17.12.2007 15:28] <blauwal> _Nesshof_: (only two working days= [17.12.2007 15:28] <_Nesshof_> _rene_: I don't believe that you'll find one person who will install and test >> 60 builds [17.12.2007 15:28] <_Nesshof_> _rene_: I would expect this as part of the TCM testing [17.12.2007 15:29] <_rene_> _Nesshof_: I didn't talk about 60 builds [17.12.2007 15:29] <_Nesshof_> _rene_: but ? [17.12.2007 15:29] <_rene_> _Nesshof_: but *new* languages [17.12.2007 15:29] <_rene_> like mr-IN was and ar was. [17.12.2007 15:29] <_rene_> that's not *all* languages OOo builds but just those which got hughe changes. [17.12.2007 15:29] <_rene_> like being completely new. [17.12.2007 15:30] <blauwal> _rene_: and than what? Delay the CWS? [17.12.2007 15:30] <_rene_> yes. as every other cws which adds something which is broken from the beginning. yes. [17.12.2007 15:30] <_Nesshof_> since erros in those languages are no regressions, I would accept it [17.12.2007 15:31] <blauwal> _rene_: this means delaying all languages. [17.12.2007 15:31] <_rene_> yes. and? [17.12.2007 15:31] <_rene_> you have the same problem with "normal" cwses, too [17.12.2007 15:32] <blauwal> _rene_: localisation CWSs aren't really like normal CWSs. But this is not my discussion, I leave this to the localizaion experts [17.12.2007 15:33] <_Nesshof_> yes, I will clarify this with rafaella [17.12.2007 15:37] <_Nesshof_> ok, anything else for today ? [17.12.2007 15:37] <paveljanik> nothing [17.12.2007 15:37] * paveljanik was silent today 8) [17.12.2007 15:37] * Fridrich was surprised :-) [17.12.2007 15:37] <_Nesshof_> ok, fine, by [17.12.2007 15:37] <UweL> no [17.12.2007 15:38] <paveljanik> bye [17.12.2007 15:38] |<-- paveljanik has left freenode ("Leaving") [17.12.2007 15:38] <_Nesshof_> Fridrich: ? [17.12.2007 15:39] <_Nesshof_> suprised by what ? [17.12.2007 15:39] <_rene_> 15:37 * paveljanik was silent today 8) [17.12.2007 15:39] <Fridrich> _Nesshof_: one line before my statement :-) [17.12.2007 15:39] <_rene_> I think :) [17.12.2007 15:40] <_Nesshof_> Fridrich: ok, me too

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