Log Mac Meeting September 10th 2008
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[15:16] <ericb2> hello [15:16] * ericb2 just back from work [15:17] <hdu_hh> hi ericb [15:17] * hdu_hh is still at work ;-) [15:17] <ericb2> sorry for being late at the meeting :) [15:17] * ericb2 works more at home [15:17] <obr> actually the meeting did not even start yet [15:17] <hdu_hh> hi oliver! [15:18] <hdu_hh> should we start now? [15:18] <ericb2> ok [15:18] <hdu_hh> obr: I saw you changed the channel's topic, but I don't see the difference to the old topic? [15:19] <obr> hdu_hh: I just changed the meeting date (which as still September 3rd) ;-) [15:19] <obr> s/as/was [15:19] <hdu_hh> oops, I was sure I had updated it... [15:19] <hdu_hh> obr: thanks! [15:19] <hdu_hh> 1. 1. Welcome new devs joining Mac OS X port [15:20] <hdu_hh> no new names in the list => skipping this item [15:20] <hdu_hh> 2. Current state of the open child workspaces (CWS) [15:20] <hdu_hh> OOo30 is on track: [15:20] <hdu_hh> i93512 was nominated today [15:21] <hdu_hh> hotmac and sb95 are already integrated [15:22] <hdu_hh> the crash-reporting infrastructure will be ready very soon [15:22] <ericb2> hdu_hh: no more issue with soffice/soffice.bin ? [15:23] <hdu_hh> ericb2: you mean for crashreporting or for plist? [15:23] <ericb2> hdu_hh: currently, it is not possible to trace OpenOffice.org Aqua without modify the Info.plist ? [15:23] <hdu_hh> AFAIK that is solved in OOO300_m5? [15:23] <ericb2> hdu_hh: hmm ... not sure [15:23] <ericb2> hdu_hh: but that's not urgent [15:24] <ericb2> hdu_hh: just a few people need that ;) [15:24] <hdu_hh> yeah, only 99.9% [15:24] <ericb2> other cws : [15:24] <ericb2> appleremote01 is close to Ready for QA . Florian Heckl asked me some little changes, and I updated the wiki : http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Porting_-_Apple_Remote_implementation#Timeline [15:25] <ericb2> waiting for last comments from Florian [15:25] <hdu_hh> any other CWSses that are interesting for the Aqua port? [15:25] <ericb2> ogltrans4mac [15:25] <ericb2> hdu_hh: moz2seamonkey [15:26] <ericb2> hdu_hh: python25 [15:26] <hdu_hh> ericb2: cool! all OOo3.1 stuff though? [15:27] <ericb2> hdu_hh: not sure for ogltrans4mac, because I have other ideas for OpenGL uses. I'll blog my ideas soon ;) [15:27] <ericb2> hdu_hh: I'd like to see all in 3.1 , yes [15:27] * hdu_hh still spends most of his time for OOo3.0 [15:27] <ericb2> hdu_hh: + the proxy icon, but things are more complicated than expected, because we need to make the changes in framework [15:28] <hdu_hh> ericb2: is CD already involved in that? [15:28] <ericb2> hdu_hh: I'm in discussions with Andreas Schluns [15:28] <hdu_hh> good [15:28] <ericb2> hdu_hh: and I posted on dev@framework [15:28] <ericb2> hdu_hh: I'd guess : yes [15:29] <ericb2> he is [15:29] <ericb2> at least he's aware [15:30] <ericb2> other cws's ? [15:30] <hdu_hh> not that I'm aware of any other Aqua specific CWSses [15:31] <hdu_hh> of course there are other CWSses with general issues that benefit the Aqua port [15:32] <hdu_hh> or CWSses like dba30j that have just one Aqua specific fix [15:32] <hdu_hh> 3. Roundtable [15:32] * ericb2 would like to do a call for contributions on the wiki [15:33] <ericb2> Apple Remote, OpenGL transitions, Proxy Icon and other wiki pages, need feedback [15:34] <hdu_hh> yes, the wiki is such a powerful tool that there should be more contributors [15:34] <ericb2> simply because this will block the integration or cause problems at the last minute, as usual [15:34] * hdu_hh recently had to rewrite such essential pages like "ChildWorkSpace" or "CrashReporting" [15:35] <ericb2> Again: no need to write code: everybody is warmly welcome to have a look, and suggest changes [15:35] <hdu_hh> also the mac-porting webpage should get an update ASAP, especially with the RCs out [15:35] <ericb2> hdu_hh: good catch ! [15:36] <ericb2> hdu_hh: and all X11 wiki pages to become "deprecated" [15:36] * hdu_hh has so much work and so little time [15:36] <hdu_hh> ericb2: indeed! I'm so happy we'll have an official Aqua release so we can finally deprecate the X11 port [15:36] <ericb2> hdu_hh: at least !! [15:37] <hdu_hh> :-) [15:38] <hdu_hh> does anyone fell competent enough to write something like a "reviewers guide for OOo Aqua"? [15:38] <ericb2> hdu_hh: what about ask on mac mailing list ? [15:39] <hdu_hh> I'd like the "hard-core" porters to do it... [15:40] <ericb2> hdu_hh: do you have a draft, or ideas ? I'm not sure to understand [15:40] <ericb2> hdu_hh: e.g. describe a Mac feature, provide screeshots ? [15:41] <hdu_hh> e.g. http://www.opera.com/press/reviews/ [15:42] <ericb2> hdu_hh: nice description [15:42] <ericb2> :) [15:42] <hdu_hh> many reporters just copy and paste directly from the press release, so helping them with good talking points will benefit us [15:42] <ericb2> hdu_hh: what we need is an outline then [15:44] <hdu_hh> something like http://development.openoffice.org/releases/2.4.1.html but with more spirit [15:44] * hdu_hh has no idea how anyone could come up with release notes such as that... [15:45] <hdu_hh> here is a more recent one: http://development.openoffice.org/releases/3.0.0rc1.html [15:45] * ericb2 started that long time ago (french link) : http://eric.bachard.free.fr/wikibe/index.php?title=FAQ_Port_Mac_OS_X [15:46] <ericb2> just a little idea, maybe useless [15:46] <hdu_hh> ericb2: merci! [15:46] <ericb2> hdu_hh: that's nothing: ) [15:47] <ericb2> hdu_hh: and this reminds me, we could have a look at the lock issue with webdav [15:47] * ericb2 does not remember the issue number ... searching [15:47] <ericb2> grahamperrin: do you have it in your bookmarks ? [15:47] <grahamperrin> ericb2: not handy but I might find easily [15:48] <ericb2> grahamperrin: thanks :) [15:48] <ericb2> issue 81536 [15:48] <IZBot> porting DEFECT STARTED P3 Cannot open/save to webdav server with Mac OS X OOo http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=81536 [15:49] <grahamperrin> bingo same time [15:49] <ericb2> grahamperrin: ;-) [15:49] <ericb2> hdu_hh: this is imho a feature who does worth to be considered [15:50] <grahamperrin> ericb2: if Mac-oriented WebDAV expert is handy, then insight of any kind on problems with WebDAV in Plone (Zope?) will be greatly appreciated [15:50] <grahamperrin> hdu_hh: ^ [15:50] * hdu_hh will visit HRO shortly ;-) [15:50] * grahamperrin seeks references [15:51] <grahamperrin> http://n2.nabble.com/Timeline-to-improve-Plone-support-for-WebDAV-tp998988p1078055.html [15:51] <ericb2> hdu_hh: thank you ! [15:51] <hdu_hh> ericb2 + grahamperrin: browsing over the issue the last comment was "It works well with Writer and Impress. It was due to missing implementation in the webdav server" [15:51] <hdu_hh> so, is it still a problem? [15:52] <ericb2> hdu_hh: it does not work for me [15:52] * grahamperrin connects to his Plone WebDAV server [15:52] <ericb2> hdu_hh: what is expected, is : use webdav without the need to change the dialog boxes in the prefs [15:53] <grahamperrin> incidentally (housekeeping) can I reasonably trash my OOo_3.0.0beta2_20080707_MacOSXIntel_AQUA_install_en-US.dmg on the assumption that RC1 is superior? [15:53] <ericb2> hdu_hh: until now, it works only doing that. In meantime, somebody provided a patch, and I believed it was ok. But pl found an issue I missed. Here we are [15:53] <hdu_hh> ericb2: does it work with the patch that HRO promised to apply after OOo30? [15:53] <ericb2> hdu_hh: I don't have news, but I'd believe hro will solve it, sure :) [15:55] <ericb2> hdu_hh: the only patch I know is form ldubost [15:55] <ericb2> from [15:55] <hdu_hh> pl will return tommorow, so if his objections are still valid hro+pl can fight it out... [15:55] <ericb2> hdu_hh: +1 [15:55] <ericb2> hdu_hh: thanks for the info [15:56] * ericb2 preparing the avalanche of questions [15:56] <ericb2> for pl ... no just joking ;-) [15:56] <hdu_hh> B-) [15:56] <ericb2> ok, I'll have to stop. thanks and bye all [15:56] <hdu_hh> any other topics for todays roundtable? [15:57] <hdu_hh> 3..2..1 [15:58] <obr> yours ;-) [16:00] <hdu_hh> The chatlog will be available at http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Log_Mac_Meeting_September_10th_2008