Previous Education Meetings logs/December 2007/7th December
[15:01] <ericb2> Meeting time ?
[15:02] <Remaille> yes
[15:03] <ericb2> Let's start
[15:03] <peter13j> Hi all,
[15:03] <ericb2> peter13j: Hi :)
[15:03] <ericb2> Agenda for 7th of December 2007 meeting
[15:03] <ericb2> 1. Welcome people and devs joining Education project
[15:03] <ericb2> 2. Create a Welcome / FAQ for newcomers
[15:03] <ericb2> 3. Write courses about OpenOffice.org development
[15:03] <ericb2> 4. Website
[15:03] <ericb2> 5. Last news
[15:03] <ericb2> 6. Misc
[15:03] <ericb2> Point 1
[15:04] <peter13j> ericb2: Hi.
[15:04] <ericb2> Welcome newcomers :)
[15:04] <Remaille> I don't think there are newcomers today
[15:05] <Remaille> welcome evrybody btw :)
[15:05] <ericb2> Remaille: about welcome, I have something for the point 2
[15:05] <ericb2> 2. Create a Welcome / FAQ for newcomers
[15:06] <ericb2> the problem is, I did a mistaken and created something only readable on Apple
[15:06] <ericb2> Iis it possible to put the point 2 at the end ?
[15:06] <Remaille> no pb
[15:06] <ericb2> the timle I copy paste everything in a correct format ?
[15:06] <ericb2> thanks
[15:14] <ericb2> yet one or two minutes, and I'll provide you the link
[15:17] <ericb2> The document is ready : http://eric.bachard.free.fr/Education/december07/meeting_07dec/welcome_education.pdf
[15:17] <ericb2> at least, the first draft
[15:17] <ericb2> The sources : http://eric.bachard.free.fr/Education/december07/meeting_07dec/welcome_education.sxw
[15:17] <ericb2> as you can see, I proposed both English and French versions
[15:18] <ericb2> please add your own version
[15:18] <ericb2> anybody there ?
[15:18] <rbircher> Hello to all
[15:19] <ericb2> rbircher: hello Raphael
[15:19] <ericb2> rbircher: as promised, the draft of the welcome
[15:19] <ericb2> rbircher: see the link above
[15:19] <ericb2> rbircher: feel free to add the german translation ;-)
[15:20] <rbircher> Ok
[15:20] <rbircher> I will download later
[15:20] <ericb2> rbircher: this is not fully localized, but I missed time
[15:20] <ericb2> rbircher: I'll update regularly, and once done, I'll propose 1.0 and people will propose updates
[15:21] <ericb2> rbircher: the license is still missing but this is the PDL license of course
[15:21] <ericb2> rbircher: I propose we concentrate on the english version, and everybody intersted will localize it's own
[15:22] <ericb2> rbircher: the idea is to put a link on the website, like we did for X11 version of OpenOffice.org on Mac OS X
[15:22] <ericb2> if someone has suggestions, ideas, opinions, please tell us
[15:23] <ericb2> this is a first try, and a lot has yet to be done
[15:23] <ericb2> Next point ?
[15:24] <Remaille> ok intersesting file ericb2
[15:24] <Remaille> shall we put it onto the wiki ?
[15:24] <ericb2> Remaille: thanks. Feel free to contribute too : I'll put the name of all the contributors
[15:24] <Remaille> so that all contributors will be able to modify it
[15:25] <ericb2> Remaille: ok, I'll add an entry on the wiki
[15:25] <Remaille> or do you prefer to centralize it ?
[15:25] <ericb2> Remaille: + localized strings
[15:25] <ericb2> Remaille: I have no opinion, just asking :-)
[15:26] <Remaille> if it is a "sensitive" doc (and it is) why nnot centralizing it ?
[15:26] <ericb2> Remaille: this is no problem at all
[15:27] <Remaille> If you wan't I can cenralize for french ?
[15:27] <ericb2> Remaille: with such documents, the beginning could be on the wiki, and once the final organisation known, centralize ?
[15:27] <Remaille> or english, whatever
[15:27] <Remaille> ok, good idea
[15:27] <ericb2> Remaille: if we centralize, the website is the place
[15:27] <Remaille> wait for version 1.0 so :-=
[15:27] <Remaille> :)
[15:28] <ericb2> Can we agree I'll firstly copy the content on the wiki, and once the organiztion finalized, we centralize the result on the site ?
[15:28] <rbircher> Sorry, I was on toilete
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[15:28] <Remaille> ok for me
[15:29] <rbircher> ericb2, you talk about wat
[15:29] <rbircher> wich point
[15:30] <Remaille> point 2
[15:30] <ericb2> For the people just joining, I put everything there : http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Previous_Education_Meetings_logs/ DEcember_2007/7th_December
[15:31] rbircher Remaille
[15:31] <Remaille> rbircher : http://eric.bachard.free.fr/Education/december07/meeting_07dec/welcome_education.pdf
[15:31] <rbircher> Ah ok
[15:31] <ericb2> rbircher: yes, about the welcome: the idea is to firstly create the document on the wiki, and once done, propose it on the site
[15:32] <rbircher> +1 to put the content as first on the wiki, to create the content
[15:32] * ericb2 will do this afternoon
[15:32] <ericb2> Next point ?
[15:32] <rbircher> ok, thanks
[15:32] <ericb2> Point 3. Write courses about OpenOffice.org development
[15:33] <rbircher> yes
[15:33] <ericb2> I proposed the point because I already started. The idea is to use what Seneca College does, or something similar, but applied to OpenOffice.org
[15:33] <rbircher> here you have to say samething i hink
[15:34] <ericb2> what we will need is pedagogical opinions
[15:34] <Remaille> you mean to provide to uni teachers a kind of ready-made teaching set ?
[15:34] <ericb2> I
[15:34] <ericb2> Remaille: something ike that, but about OpenOffice.org project
[15:34] <Remaille> ok
[15:35] <ericb2> Remaille: e.g. : learn what tool we use, and learn them through examples
[15:35] <Remaille> eg a project of coding but applied to OOo
[15:35] <ericb2> Remaille: in a well defined order, following a progression
[15:35] <Remaille> ok
[15:35] <ericb2> Remaille: yes
[15:35] <ericb2> Remaille: this is appearing in the Welcome btw
[15:36] <ericb2> See CONTRIBUTE point [15:36] <Remaille> a friend of me is a teacher at Lyon uni (the one who signed an agreement with MS). He could be interested as he disagreed with this agreement
[15:36] <Remaille> I will see
[15:37] <ericb2> Remaille: god idea. Please invite him :)
[15:37] <ericb2> Remaille: we could even do a dedicated Meeting, giving him the talk
[15:38] <ericb2> Remaille: and make it visible from planet, or from our website e.g.
[15:38] <Remaille> ok I will tell you, I phone him this weekend
[15:38] <ericb2> Remaille: thanks !
[15:38] <Remaille> we never know
[15:38] <ericb2> one big thing in the courses, will be UNO use learning
[15:39] <ericb2> of course, we will do some errors and mistakes, but if we don't try, we never will propose anything :)
[15:39] <ericb2> that's what I had to say for the point 3. Questions ?
[15:40] <Remaille> I am not a dev at all... but I think that UNO is, pedagogically, intersting. It is a good opportunities to learn python and others languages
[15:40] <ericb2> Remaille: and more :)
[15:40] <Remaille> yes more !
[15:40] <Remaille> (but too much for me :)
[15:41] <ericb2> Next point ?
[15:41] <rbircher> If you start with this project, you can talk about on the mailing list
[15:42] <rbircher> ?
[15:42] <ericb2> rbircher: I'll do. But I'd like to have something clean before
[15:42] <rbircher> That's ok
[15:42] <ericb2> Point 4. Website
[15:43] <rbircher> But so all are informated
[15:43] <rbircher> yes, next Point Website
[15:43] <rbircher> That's my point
[15:44] <rbircher> Nicolas is not here at the moment
[15:44] <rbircher> but he works on the layout
[15:45] <rbircher> Wath the nest Steps now
[15:46] <rbircher> QA The Layout, make all tests, this will take same time
[15:46] <rbircher> paralell we most working now at the content
[15:47] <rbircher> And here ar all requested
[15:48] <rbircher> Thenn we fill the Content in the new website
[15:48] <ericb2> rbircher: what do you propose to help you ?
[15:48] <ericb2> s/propose/ask/
[15:49] <rbircher> First wi most know witch site we will create
[15:50] rbircher Remaille
[15:51] <ericb2> rbircher: what is not clear ?
[15:51] <rbircher> witch site with wich topic will be createt
[15:51] <ericb2> rbircher: what was wrong with what I proposed in the list ?
[15:52] <rbircher> That's a idea but maybe wi like more sites
[15:53] <ericb2> rbircher: hmm .. I'd suggest to start little. 3 or 4 big buttons, all areas are defined. And if this is not good, we adjust later
[15:54] <ericb2> rbircher: the problem is I have potential sponsors and people lurking what happens, and if we continue to wait, the will go away
[15:54] <ericb2> s/the/they.
[15:56] <rbircher> If I have the owverwiev, the 4 Buttens are not enough at the moment
[15:56] <rbircher> We have more content
[15:57] <ericb2> rbircher: let me retrieve the URL of the mail
[15:57] <rbircher> The comming Week we use for the test of the layout
[15:58] <rbircher> The list of Content can be created paralely
[15:58] <ericb2> Here is the draft : http://education.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=134
[15:59] <rbircher> We lose no time with it
[15:59] <ericb2> rbircher: let's start with test and invite people to have a look on the list ?
[15:59] <ericb2> @all : the link for the test page is : http://education.openoffice.org/test/
[16:00] <rbircher> Yes, i hope nicolas progress with the code
[16:01] <ericb2> rbircher: ok, I'll contact him asap
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[16:02] <rbircher> If we progress fine and have not to much truble, we can propose the new layout next week
[16:02] <Remaille> it could be nice
[16:02] <ericb2> rbircher: great :-)
[16:03] <ericb2> rbircher: I'll have more time, and I'll help if possible
[16:03] <Remaille> so that we will have quite soon a new website nicer ! :)
[16:03] <rbircher> But thests take a load of time
[16:03] <ericb2> Remaille: and concentrate on the content
[16:03] <rbircher> 2/3 of Webdesign is testing
[16:05] <rbircher> But I have a load experience on this part, so I hope to progress good
[16:05] <ericb2> rbircher: thank you very much for your time
[16:05] <ericb2> Next point ?
[16:05] <Remaille> thank you too !! :-)
[16:06] <rbircher> yes next point
[16:06] <ericb2> 5. Last news
[16:06] <ericb2> who will start ?
[16:07] <rbircher> you
[16:07] <ericb2> ok
[16:07] <ericb2> then I think I found a sponsor
[16:08] <ericb2> what we need is propose Applications for students, and then this is ok to help us
[16:08] <ericb2> I alread have defined 3 subjects, for code, mainly for Mac OS X port , since I'm developer for it ;-)
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[16:09] <ericb2> applications could be : write a new canvas using uartz and Quartz code (long and difficult ) , implement Applescripting withOpenOffice.org (same difficulty ) , and a third one, I prefer verify it's possible
[16:09] <ericb2> s/uartz/Quartz/ [16:10] <ericb2> The point is : we already have a good idea of what has to be done, we just need peers : professors/students and let's go
[16:10] <ericb2> then the sponsor will propose something
[16:11] <ericb2> the applications concern high schools. The first one intersted is UTBM ( where I'm teaching) but two other engineering schools ( both from Paris) could be interested
[16:11] <rbircher> The Sponsor, it is maynly in france?
[16:11] rbircher Remaille
[16:11] <ericb2> rbircher: yes, I'll porvide more informations when I'll be sure
[16:12] <ericb2> rbircher: I didn't progress with association, but I'll sure do it for the next week
[16:12] <ericb2> rbircher: to receive money and donations, and provide receipts in return ( legal issue in fact )
[16:12] <rbircher> Ok
[16:13] <rbircher> Good news from Frence
[16:13] <ericb2> of course, developers working on the subjects are aware, and glad to help :)
[16:13] <ericb2> rbircher: let's be sure before
[16:13] <ericb2> rbircher: paradoxaly, the most difficult to find are the students/professors
[16:13] <rbircher> yes, but you work on it
[16:14] <ericb2> I try to
[16:14] <rbircher> oki
[16:14] <rbircher> You have otter news
[16:14] <rbircher> ?
[16:15] <ericb2> peter13j: can you give us more infos about your presentation ?
[16:15] <ericb2> peter13j: the one we added on the site
[16:16] <rbircher> yes, peter13j news from China
[16:16] <Remaille> ericb2, could tell ma a bit more about your contacts ? so tht at i wil able to be more accrate
[16:16] <Remaille> accurate
[16:16] <Remaille> with my friend
[16:16] <peter13j> Yes, I gave it at Beijing Jiaotong University last week
[16:17] <peter13j> We had about 50 students in the audience ...
[16:17] >Remaille< on en discute en prive apres ?
[16:17] <peter13j> ... not bad in the evening (19:00 local on a Friday) ...
[16:18] <peter13j> .. few of them left during the event ...
[16:18] <peter13j> ... so I guess it was not too bad.
[16:18] <ericb2> peter13j :-)
[16:18] <ericb2> peter13j: what I read is very interesting, and mike completed impressively
[16:19] <peter13j> FOSS is becoming more and more attention in the momnet in China
[16:19] <rbircher> we talk about this presentation http://education.openoffice.org/files/documents/229/4132/ PeterJunge_BeijingJiaotongUniversity20071130full.odp
[16:20] <rbircher> Michael has a presentation too i think
[16:21] <rbircher> He well send me the file next time, to add it
[16:21] <peter13j> Yes, I think Michael is currently translating it. It's in Chinese yet.
[16:21] <ericb2> peter13j: thank you (and Michael) very much for your work. this is a precious document, and we will try to valorize it :-)
[16:22] <peter13j> ericb2: Thanks a lot.
[16:22] <rbircher> Yes, thenks to chine for it
[16:22] <ericb2> peter13j: you're welcome. really !
[16:23] <rbircher> you and Michael make a great job
[16:23] <peter13j> rbircher: :-)
[16:24] <rbircher> Ok, I have news from Switzerland too
[16:25] <rbircher> or you ar not finished peter13j
[16:25] <peter13j> rbircher: Go ahead
[16:25] <rbircher> Ok
[16:26] <rbircher> I write at the moment a concept for Switzerland
[16:27] <rbircher> The goal is, to found a assosiassion in CH suportet by end users and sponsors
[16:28] <ericb2> the main problem is, to be visible we need some money
[16:28] <ericb2> e.g. to attend FOSDEM
[16:28] <ericb2> whereI'd like to do a lightning talk about us [16:29] <rbircher> I think, in switzerland we will finde it
[16:29] <ericb2> and some other important events
[16:29] <ericb2> rbircher: would be great
[16:29] <rbircher> It's not easi, but possible
[16:29] <ericb2> rbircher FYI, it's question of 400 euros / person and per event. Not a ruin, but not easy to find
[16:31] <rbircher> But at the moment i can't say mor
[16:31] <ericb2> rbircher: thanks
[16:31] <ericb2> Next point ?
[16:31] <rbircher> I working on it at the moment
[16:31] <rbircher> Any other have news
[16:32] <rbircher> ?
[16:32] <rbircher> Then next point
[16:32] <ericb2> Ok next meeting same hour, next week ?
[16:33] <peter13j> ericb2: OK
[16:33] <rbircher> Same time, same Day?
[16:33] <ericb2> ok for me too, of course
[16:34] <ericb2> End of meeting
[16:34] <peter13j> rbircher: Same universe, same planet? SCNR